People with AS become angry when told they are unempathetic. In fact, they’ll insist you’re the one without empathy. Why? Because they’re mindblind.

They aren’t playing games and manipulating you like a psychopath does — they just don’t get it. They can’t. AS is a neurological disorder that renders its victims hopelessly mindblind… and unable to know that they are.

Asperger’s Syndrome is a zero-empathy disorder, just like psychopathy is, according to Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen, FBA, Professor of Developmental Psychopathology at the University of Cambridge and Director of the University’s Autism Research Center, and author of the book The Science of Evil.

Now if you go do a quick Google search on “Aspergers and empathy,” you’ll see something strikingly at odds with that fact — you’ll find an endless stream of links to articles claiming “not only do Aspies have emapthy, we have much more than *neurotypicals!” All of these articles are written by Aspies themselves, and they should know, right? (*neurotypical means normal).

Don’t believe it for a moment! Remember what I wrote above — a key feature of their disorder is the inability to understand their disorder.

“So why might people with autism in the online community challenge this view (that they have no- or low- empathy)? One possibility is that it is in the nature of empathy that people who are low in empathy are often the last people to be aware of it.

This is because empathy goes hand-in-hand with self-awareness, or imagining how others see you, and it is in this very area that people with autism struggle.

A better source of information for whether someone with autism has an empathy disability might therefore be a third party, such as a teacher or parent or independent observer. When it comes to empathy, self-report is highly unreliable. For this reason, I would always advise that results from the questionnaires like the EQ (the self-report version) should be corroborated by other independent sources of evidence.

An analogy might be with colour blindness. Many people who are colour blind are the last people to know about it, until they are given a test of it by an optician or vision scientist. They simply assumed that they were seeing the same colours as everyone else.”

Wine skrev:Från sajten som länkades till i startinlägget, Psychopathy… or Asperger’s Syndrome?:

Asperger’s Syndrome is a zero-empathy disorder, just like psychopathy is, according to Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen, FBA, Professor of Developmental Psychopathology at the University of Cambridge and Director of the University’s Autism Research Center, and author of the book The Science of Evil.

Now if you go do a quick Google search on “Aspergers and empathy,” you’ll see something strikingly at odds with that fact — you’ll find an endless stream of links to articles claiming “not only do Aspies have emapthy, we have much more than *neurotypicals!” All of these articles are written by Aspies themselves, and they should know, right? (*neurotypical means normal).

Don’t believe it for a moment! Remember what I wrote above — a key feature of their disorder is the inability to understand their disorder.

“So why might people with autism in the online community challenge this view (that they have no- or low- empathy)? One possibility is that it is in the nature of empathy that people who are low in empathy are often the last people to be aware of it.

This is because empathy goes hand-in-hand with self-awareness, or imagining how others see you, and it is in this very area that people with autism struggle.

A better source of information for whether someone with autism has an empathy disability might therefore be a third party, such as a teacher or parent or independent observer. When it comes to empathy, self-report is highly unreliable. For this reason, I would always advise that results from the questionnaires like the EQ (the self-report version) should be corroborated by other independent sources of evidence.

An analogy might be with colour blindness. Many people who are colour blind are the last people to know about it, until they are given a test of it by an optician or vision scientist. They simply assumed that they were seeing the same colours as everyone else.”

Verkar fullt rimligt att man knappast på ett trovärdigt sätt kan uttala sig om sin egen empatiska förmåga om man har dålig självkännedom och självinsikt, vilket är kännetecknande för individer med diagnosen AS.

Pikachu har tidigare också pekat på detta, hur AS och psykopati har en del gemensamt, bl.a. kan man läsa om det i denna tråden: AS och psykopati - likheter och skillnader [delad tråd]

Tråd om narcissism och AS: Är AS-personer narcissistiska?

manne skrev:

Wine skrev:Från sajten som länkades till i startinlägget, Psychopathy… or Asperger’s Syndrome?:

Asperger’s Syndrome is a zero-empathy disorder, just like psychopathy is, according to Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen, FBA, Professor of Developmental Psychopathology at the University of Cambridge and Director of the University’s Autism Research Center, and author of the book The Science of Evil.

Now if you go do a quick Google search on “Aspergers and empathy,” you’ll see something strikingly at odds with that fact — you’ll find an endless stream of links to articles claiming “not only do Aspies have emapthy, we have much more than *neurotypicals!” All of these articles are written by Aspies themselves, and they should know, right? (*neurotypical means normal).

Don’t believe it for a moment! Remember what I wrote above — a key feature of their disorder is the inability to understand their disorder.

“So why might people with autism in the online community challenge this view (that they have no- or low- empathy)? One possibility is that it is in the nature of empathy that people who are low in empathy are often the last people to be aware of it.

This is because empathy goes hand-in-hand with self-awareness, or imagining how others see you, and it is in this very area that people with autism struggle.

A better source of information for whether someone with autism has an empathy disability might therefore be a third party, such as a teacher or parent or independent observer. When it comes to empathy, self-report is highly unreliable. For this reason, I would always advise that results from the questionnaires like the EQ (the self-report version) should be corroborated by other independent sources of evidence.

An analogy might be with colour blindness. Many people who are colour blind are the last people to know about it, until they are given a test of it by an optician or vision scientist. They simply assumed that they were seeing the same colours as everyone else.”

Verkar fullt rimligt att man knappast på ett trovärdigt sätt kan uttala sig om sin egen empatiska förmåga om man har dålig självkännedom och självinsikt, vilket är kännetecknande för individer med diagnosen AS.

Pikachu har tidigare också pekat på detta, hur AS och psykopati har en del gemensamt, bl.a. kan man läsa om det i denna tråden: AS och psykopati - likheter och skillnader [delad tråd]

Tråd om narcissism och AS: Är AS-personer narcissistiska?

det tror jag inte på de med as är väldigt empatiska och har stor empati.

Their suffering and trauma should come as no surprise when one considers life with a person who has serious limitations in their ability to engage in reciprocal relationships. People with AS do not exhibit reciprocity; do not show empathy or compassion; cannot put themselves in the place of others; have difficulty with mutual communication; do not recognize the NT partner’s reality and attitudes; cannot read others’ intentions and emotions; find it difficult to learn from experience; cannot assess complex situations; cannot nurture a relationship; cannot see their responsibility for their own actions; cannot negotiate, seek compromises or resolve conflicts; is extremely busy solely for their own needs; and has inadequate capacity for adult impulse control. It does not take an advanced degree in mental health to understand the emotional deprivation and extreme psychological stress that would result from ongoing interaction with such a person.

KrigarSjäl skrev:Vad är det för förmåga som ligger bakom sajten?

Asperger’s Syndrome is a zero-empathy disorder, just like psychopathy is, according to Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen, FBA, Professor of Developmental Psychopathology at the University of Cambridge and Director of the University’s Autism Research Center, and author of the book The Science of Evil.

kiddie skrev:

Asperger’s Syndrome is a zero-empathy disorder, just like psychopathy is, according to Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen, FBA, Professor of Developmental Psychopathology at the University of Cambridge and Director of the University’s Autism Research Center, and author of the book The Science of Evil.

Jag vet inte om detta är sant. Baron-Cohen är en lite knepig typ men lyssnade på en föreläsning (på Youtube) där han faktiskt sa att han inte ens anser att aspergers är en "disorder".

Wine skrev:Pikachu har tidigare också pekat på detta, hur AS och psykopati har en del gemensamt, bl.a. kan man läsa om det i denna tråden: AS och psykopati - likheter och skillnader [delad tråd]

KrigarSjäl skrev:

Wine skrev:Pikachu har tidigare också pekat på detta, hur AS och psykopati har en del gemensamt, bl.a. kan man läsa om det i denna tråden: AS och psykopati - likheter och skillnader [delad tråd]

Pikachu var ett troll och ingenting annat.

Inte ens aspie efter vad det verkar utan snarare flashbackfascist och pubertal flinpelle som reggat sig här enbart för att skapa reaktion och reta upp folk.

Börjar du med ifrågasättanden därom gör du dig bara löjlig.

tahlia skrev:

KrigarSjäl skrev:

Wine skrev:Pikachu har tidigare också pekat på detta, hur AS och psykopati har en del gemensamt, bl.a. kan man läsa om det i denna tråden: AS och psykopati - likheter och skillnader [delad tråd]

Pikachu var ett troll och ingenting annat.

Inte ens aspie efter vad det verkar utan snarare flashbackfascist och pubertal flinpelle som reggat sig här enbart för att skapa reaktion och reta upp folk.

Börjar du med ifrågasättanden därom gör du dig bara löjlig.

Wine är på sätt och vis också ett troll. Hen tillbringar väldigt mycket tid med att försöka övertyga oss andra om att vi är lika störda som hen.

I had a year-long relationship with a man who did not disclose his diagnosis of Asperger’s Syndrome. I also had a female friend with the disorder who chose not to tell me. AS cannot be hidden. Their deficits in empathy and communication became painfully apparent. Both relationships were traumatic. Had I known about AS and its effect on others in relationships, I could have avoided becoming involved with them. People with AS should disclose their diagnosis if they are aware of it, and the rest of us should have access to accurate information about the condition and how it affects others. That would enable us to avoid a lot of unnecessary pain.

KrigarSjäl skrev:Bitterhet och oförståelse som motor, det förstod jag direkt.

Ett förhållande gick i kras och då måste man svartmåla hela gruppen aspergare.

Endast försmådd hysterika kan uppvisa sådan logik.