kjwkjw skrev:

Miche skrev:

kjwkjw skrev:
kristna hatar inte, dina fördomar är enorma. ni ateister pratar om hat, det är ju ni som hatar.

Vad jag förstått av dina inlägg så är du kristen men du uttrycker samtidigt ett stort hat gentemot andra religioner inom den Abrahamitiska sfären.

nej. jag uttrycker besvikelse över wahabihsm extremiister som är en sekt skapad av djävulen.

slackern skrev:

kjwkjw skrev:

Miche skrev:Vad jag förstått av dina inlägg så är du kristen men du uttrycker samtidigt ett stort hat gentemot andra religioner inom den Abrahamitiska sfären.

nej. jag uttrycker besvikelse över wahabihsm extremiister som är en sekt skapad av djävulen.

Du tror inte mer att det handlar om något slags maktvakuum som har skapat situationen?

tahlia skrev:Nej.. funderade på det men törs fan starta en tråd om hur kristna ser på muslimer. Det lär gå käpprätt åt helskotta rätt fort, för att inte tala om antalet hjärnblödningar man hinner få innan någon låser tråden.

kiddie skrev:

tahlia skrev:Nej.. funderade på det men törs fan starta en tråd om hur kristna ser på muslimer. Det lär gå käpprätt åt helskotta rätt fort, för att inte tala om antalet hjärnblödningar man hinner få innan någon låser tråden.

Det är dock en grej jag inte fattar, att folk lusläser koranen och säger att så SKA muslimer vara.

Så ser inte jag på kristna. Jag tar deras ord på deras tro. Jag förutsätter att de kan sin tro bäst eftersom de "uppfunnit" sin version på tron. Jag slår inte bibeln i bordet och säger att de måste döda barn och sådant som står i bibeln.

kiddie skrev:Vilka är de namngivna gudshatarna som hjärntvättat mig? Är det några kändisar jag inte känner till?

tahlia skrev:

kapuni skrev:Nu har du nog lite väl förutfattade meningar om kristna

Hänvisar dig till Miches senaste inlägg här i tråden.

kjwkjw skrev:ni går på skiten och blir hjärntvättade av dessa haters, bara se på denna tråden, så mycket skitsnack så att jag svimmar.

Miche skrev:

kjwkjw skrev:ni går på skiten och blir hjärntvättade av dessa haters, bara se på denna tråden, så mycket skitsnack så att jag svimmar.

Tyvärr är det nog så att du är den värsta skitsnackaren i den här tråden. Jag blockar dig nu, orkar inte läsa dina hatiska inlägg (vilket du gav ytterligare ett par exempel på nu). Kan meddela att jag även blockat kapuni eftersom hen beter sig nästan lika illa många gånger (dock kollar jag någon gång ibland eller ser vad som citerats).

kiddie skrev:Jag har faktiskt läst bibeln och det kan du inte ta ifrån mig. Men vill du ha ett litet kul sammandrag så varsågod.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_ ... ldren.html

Men som sagt, jag tror FORTFARANDE inte att kristna dödar sina egna barn!

Spoiler: visa

Psaltaren 137

Svenska 1917 (SV1917)

137 Vid Babels floder, där sutto vi och gräto, när vi tänkte på Sion.

2 I pilträden som där voro hängde vi upp våra harpor.

3 Ty de som höllo oss fångna bådo oss där att sjunga, och våra plågare bådo oss vara glada: »Sjungen för oss en av Sions sånger.»

4 Huru skulle vi kunna sjunga HERRENS sång i främmande land?

5 Nej, om jag förgäter dig, Jerusalem, så förgäte min högra hand sin tjänst.

6 Min tunga låde vid min gom, om jag upphör att tänka på dig, om jag icke låter Jerusalem vara min allra högsta glädje.

7 Tänk, HERRE, på Jerusalems dag, och straffa Edoms barn, dem som ropade: »Riven ned, riven ned det ända till grunden.»

8 Dotter Babel, du ödeläggelsens stad, säll är den som får vedergälla dig allt vad du har gjort oss.

9 Säll är den som får gripa dina späda barn och krossa dem mot klippan.

kjwkjw skrev:

Miche skrev:

kjwkjw skrev:ni går på skiten och blir hjärntvättade av dessa haters, bara se på denna tråden, så mycket skitsnack så att jag svimmar.

Tyvärr är det nog så att du är den värsta skitsnackaren i den här tråden. Jag blockar dig nu, orkar inte läsa dina hatiska inlägg (vilket du gav ytterligare ett par exempel på nu). Kan meddela att jag även blockat kapuni eftersom hen beter sig nästan lika illa många gånger (dock kollar jag någon gång ibland eller ser vad som citerats).

flera här skriver en massa skit att kristna är våldsamma och annat trams, jag ger svar på tal och är tydligen hatisk.

det är du o dina jämnlikar som är hatiska som vägrar se sannningen och bara smutskastar hela tiden, går inte att prata med er.

Ku Klux Klan (KKK) är namnet på flera historiska och nutida protestantiska organisationer i USA vilka strävar efter vit överhöghet och ett samhälle baserat på rasism. Namnet Ku Klux Klan kommer av kyklos (grekiskans κύκλος, cirkel), och klan från lågskotskan, då många av grundarna härstammade därifrån. Sedan lång tid förknippas "Klanen" med de brinnande korsen, lynchningarna, de vita huvorna och de vita fotsida dräkterna.

kjwkjw skrev:flera här skriver en massa skit att kristna är våldsamma och annat trams, jag ger svar på tal och är tydligen hatisk.

Protestantisk är ett ord som brukar användas för att hänvisa till de nya samfund som uppstod i samband med reformationen och ibland också till de samfund och rörelser som senare har uppstått ur dessa reformationskyrkor.

Miche skrev:Tyvärr är det nog så att du är den värsta skitsnackaren i den här tråden. Jag blockar dig nu, orkar inte läsa dina hatiska inlägg (vilket du gav ytterligare ett par exempel på nu). Kan meddela att jag även blockat kapuni eftersom hen beter sig nästan lika illa många gånger (dock kollar jag någon gång ibland eller ser vad som citerats).

kjwkjw skrev:du ska nog tolka texten på ett annat sätt.

Parvlon skrev:KKK kristen rörelse? Du måste skämta.

Protestantisk är ett ord som brukar användas för att hänvisa till de nya samfund som uppstod i samband med reformationen och ibland också till de samfund och rörelser som senare har uppstått ur dessa reformationskyrkor.

http://www.fragaprasten.fi/las-svar/vad ... estantisk/

Aryan Nations is a white supremacist or "white Christian separatist" religious organization originally based in Hayden Lake, Idaho. Richard Girnt Butler founded the group in the 1970s, as an arm of the Christian Identity organization Church of Jesus Christ–Christian. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has called Aryan Nations a "terrorist threat",[1] and the RAND Corporation has called it the "first truly nationwide terrorist network" in the US.[2]

slackern skrev:Här har du lite mer kristna terrorister. Bör väl tilläggas att dom är en pytteliten minoritet som tur är.

The origin of Aryan Nations is in the teachings of Wesley Swift, a significant figure in the early Christian Identity movement.[3] Swift combined British Israelism, extreme antisemitism and political militancy.

Parvlon skrev:

slackern skrev:Här har du lite mer kristna terrorister. Bör väl tilläggas att dom är en pytteliten minoritet som tur är.

Låter lika kristet som Hitler.

The origin of Aryan Nations is in the teachings of Wesley Swift, a significant figure in the early Christian Identity movement.[3] Swift combined British Israelism, extreme antisemitism and political militancy.

Anti-abortion violence is recognized as a form of Christian terrorism.[6] Some supporters of such violence embrace this designation.[7]

United States
Murders

In the U.S., violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eight people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.[8][9]

March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Gunn's murder and was sentenced to life in prison. [10]
July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside another facility, the Ladies Center, in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings. Hill received a death sentence and was executed on September 3, 2003. The clinic in Pensacola had been bombed before in 1984 and was also bombed subsequently in 2012.
December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.
January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.
October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death with a high-powered rifle at his home in Amherst, New York.[11] His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Slepian's murder after being apprehended in France in 2001.

May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed by Scott Roeder as Tiller served as an usher at a church in Wichita, Kansas.[12]

Attempted murder, assault, and kidnapping

According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.[13] Attempted murders in the U.S. included:[8][14][15]

August 19, 1993: Dr. George Tiller was shot outside of an abortion facility in Wichita, Kansas. Shelley Shannon was charged with the crime and received an 11-year prison sentence (20 years were later added for arson and acid attacks on clinics).
July 29, 1994: June Barret was shot in the same attack which claimed the lives of James Barrett, her husband, and Dr. John Britton.
December 30, 1994: Five individuals were wounded in the shootings which killed Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols.
October 28, 1997: Dr. David Gandell of Rochester, New York was injured by flying glass when a shot was fired through the window of his home.[16]
January 29, 1998: Emily Lyons, a nurse, was severely injured, and lost an eye, in the bombing which also killed Robert Sanderson.

Arson, bombing, and property crime

According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs").[13] The New York Times also cites over one hundred clinic bombings and incidents of arson, over three hundred invasions, and over four hundred incidents of vandalism between 1978 and 1993.[17] The first clinic arson occurred in Oregon in March 1976 and the first bombing occurred in February 1978 in Ohio.[18] Incidents have included:

May 26, 1983: Joseph Grace set the Hillcrest clinic in Norfolk, Virginia ablaze. He was arrested while sleeping in his van a few blocks from the clinic when an alert patrol officer noticed the smell of kerosene. [19]
May 12, 1984: Two men entered a Birmingham, Alabama clinic shortly after a lone woman opened the doors at 7:45 am. Forcing their way into the clinic, one of the men threatened the woman if she tried to prevent the attack while the other, wielding a sledgehammer, did between $7,500 and $8,000 of damage to suction equipment. The man who damaged the equipment was later identified as Father Edward Markley. Father Markley is a Benedictine Monk who was the Birmingham diocesan "Coordinator for Pro-Life Activities". Markley was convicted of first-degree criminal mischief and second-degree burglary. His accomplice has never been identified. Following the Birmingham incident, Markley entered the Women's Community Health Center in Huntsville Alabama, assaulting at least three clinic workers. One of the workers, Kathryn Wood received back injuries and a broken neck vertebrae. Markley was convicted of first-degree criminal mischief and three counts of third-degree assault and harassment in the Huntsville attack.[20]
December 25, 1984: An abortion clinic and two physicians' offices in Pensacola, Florida, were bombed in the early morning of Christmas Day by a quartet of young people (Matt Goldsby, Jimmy Simmons, Kathy Simmons, Kaye Wiggins) who later called the bombings "a gift to Jesus on his birthday."[21][22][23] The clinic, the Ladies Center, would later be the site of the murder of Dr. John Britton and James Barrett in 1994 and a firebombing in 2012.
March 29, 1993: Blue Mountain Clinic in Missoula, Montana; at around 1 a.m., an arsonist snuck onto the premises and firebombed the clinic. The perpetrator, a Washington man, was ultimately caught, convicted and imprisoned. The facility was a near-total loss, but all of the patients' records, though damaged, survived the fire in metal file cabinets.[24][25][26]
May 21, 1998: Three people were injured when acid was poured at the entrances of five abortion clinics in Miami, Florida.[27]
October 1999: Martin Uphoff set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, causing US$100 worth of damage. He was later sentenced to 60 months in prison.[28]
May 28, 2000: An arson at a clinic in Concord, New Hampshire, resulted in several thousand dollars' worth of damage. The case remains unsolved.[29][30][31] This was the second arson at the clinic.[32]
September 30, 2000: John Earl, a Catholic priest, drove his car into the Northern Illinois Health Clinic after learning that the FDA had approved the drug RU-486. He pulled out an ax before being forced to the ground by the owner of the building, who fired two warning shots from a shotgun.[33]
June 11, 2001: An unsolved bombing at a clinic in Tacoma, Washington, destroyed a wall, resulting in $6,000 in damages.[28][34]
July 4, 2005: A clinic Palm Beach, Florida, was the target of an arson. The case remains open.[28]
December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov cocktail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana. The device missed the building and no damage was caused. In August 2006, Hughes was sentenced to six years in prison, and Dunahoe to one year. Hughes claimed the bomb was a "memorial lamp" for an abortion she had had there.[35]
September 11, 2006 David McMenemy of Rochester Hills, Michigan, crashed his car into the Edgerton Women's Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions; however, Edgerton is not an abortion clinic.[36] Time magazine listed the incident in a "Top 10 Inept Terrorist Plots" list.[37]
April 25, 2007: A package left at a women's health clinic in Austin, Texas, contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device after evacuating the building. Paul Ross Evans (who had a criminal record for armed robbery and theft) was found guilty of the crime.[38]
May 9, 2007: An unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.[39]
December 6, 2007: Chad Altman and Sergio Baca were arrested for the arson of Dr. Curtis Boyd's clinic in Albuquerque. Baca's girlfriend had scheduled an appointment for an abortion at the clinic.[40][41]
January 22, 2009 Matthew L. Derosia, 32, who was reported to have had a history of mental illness[42] rammed an SUV into the front entrance of a Planned Parenthood clinic in St. Paul, Minnesota.[43]
January 1, 2012 Bobby Joe Rogers, 41, firebombed the American Family Planning Clinic in Pensacola, Florida, with a Molotov cocktail; the fire gutted the building. Rogers told investigators that he was motivated to commit the crime by his opposition to abortion, and that what more directly prompted the act was seeing a patient enter the clinic during one of the frequent anti-abortion protests there. The clinic had previously been bombed at Christmas in 1984 and was the site of the murder of Dr. John Britton and James Barrett in 1994.[44]
April 1, 2012 A bomb exploded on the windowsill of a Planned Parenthood clinic in Grand Chute, Wisconsin, resulting in a fire that damaged one of the clinic's examination rooms. No injuries were reported.
April 11, 2013 A Planned Parenthood clinic in Bloomington, Indiana, was vandalized with an axe.[45]

Anthrax threats

The first hoax letters claiming to contain anthrax were mailed to U.S. clinics in October 1998, a few days after the Slepian shooting; since then, there have been 655 such bioterror threats made against abortion providers. None of the "anthrax" in these cases was real.[14][46]

November 2001: After the genuine 2001 anthrax attacks, Clayton Waagner mailed hoax letters containing a white powder to 554 clinics. On December 3, 2003, Waagner was convicted of 51 charges relating to the anthrax scare.

slackern skrev:

Parvlon skrev:

slackern skrev:Här har du lite mer kristna terrorister. Bör väl tilläggas att dom är en pytteliten minoritet som tur är.

Låter lika kristet som Hitler.

The origin of Aryan Nations is in the teachings of Wesley Swift, a significant figure in the early Christian Identity movement.[3] Swift combined British Israelism, extreme antisemitism and political militancy.

Lite annan terrorism. Troligtvis galenpannor som föregående grupp. Troligtvis också en pytteliten minoritet utav alla kristna.

Anti-abortion violence is recognized as a form of Christian terrorism.[6] Some supporters of such violence embrace this designation.[7]

En falsk profet är inom religion en beteckning på en person som enligt en eller flera trosuppfattningar illegitimt hävdar karismatisk myndighet inom en religiös grupp. Det kan vara en person som enligt dem falskeligen påstår sig ha profetians gåva, eller som använder denna gåva för demagogi eller onda syften.

Ett enkelt sätt att se vilka profeter som är falska tas också upp

”Och den profet som är så förmäten att han i mitt namn förkunnar något som jag inte har befallt honom att säga, eller som talar i andra gudars namn, den profeten skall dö.” Kanske tänker du: ”Hur skall vi veta att ett budskap inte kommer från Herren?” När profeten har talat i Herrens namn men hans ord inte slår in och går i uppfyllelse, då kommer det budskapet inte från Herren. Det är profeten som i sin förmätenhet har förkunnat det. Låt dig inte skrämmas av honom.

Men om någon in­te lyss­nar till mi­na ord, de ord han ta­lar i mitt namn, skall jag ut­kräva ve­dergäll­ning av den man­nen. Och den pro­fet som är så förmäten att han i mitt namn förkun­nar något som jag in­te har be­fallt ho­nom att säga, el­ler som ta­lar i and­ra gu­dars namn, den pro­fe­ten skall dö.”

Frimodig skrev:...
Men varför är vi som homo sapiens sapiens så oerhört korkade? Att tro på stupida saker befrämjar överlevnaden som art?

Det är ett enigma.

Frimodig
Frimodig

The Telegraph - Having faith 'helps patients live longer', study suggests
By Andrew Hough, 7:30AM BST 06 Oct 2010

Believing in God can help people live longer, a study has suggested.

Research into liver transplant patients found those who were actively “seeking God” had a better survival rate than those who did not hold religious beliefs, regardless of which faith they held.

They found some patients were up to three times more likely to survive by having a “strong religious connection”, even if they didn't attend church.

The study, published in the journal Liver Transplantation, adds weight to previous studies that showed how religion and faith can “influence disease progression”.

One participant, who was not identified, told the researchers that they “recovered” their life through the will of God, which made them “feel strong and calm”.

The study pointed to previous research, which it said showed people with HIV as well as heart patients, kidney dialysis patients had better survival chance if they were religious.

Daily Mail - The tantalising proof that belief in God makes you happier and healthier
By Tom Knox Updated: 21:10 GMT, 18 February 2011

For a growing yet largely unnoticed body of scientific work, amassed over the past 30 years, shows religious belief is medically, socially and psychologically beneficial.

In 2006, the American Society of Hypertension established that church-goers have lower blood pressure than the non-faithful.

Likewise, in 2004, scholars at the University of California, Los Angeles, suggested that college students involved in religious activities are more likely to have better mental and emotional health than those who do not.

Meanwhile, in 2006, population researchers at the University of Texas discovered that the more often you go to church, the longer you live.

As they put it: ‘Religious attendance is associated with adult mortality in a graded fashion: there is a seven-year difference in life expectancy between those who never attend church and those who attend weekly.’

Exactly the same outcome was recently reported in the American Journal of Public Health, which studied nearly 2,000 older Californians for five years. Those who attended religious services were 36 per cent less likely to die during this half-decade than those who didn’t.

Even those who attended a place of worship irregularly — implying a less than ardent faith — did better than those who never attended.

Pretty impressive. But there’s more; so much more that it’s positively surreal.

In 1990, the American Journal of Psychiatry discovered believers with broken hips were less depressed, had shorter hospital stays and could even walk further when they were discharged compared to their similarly broken-hipped and hospitalised, but comparatively heathen peers.

It’s not just hips. Scientists have revealed that believers recover from breast cancer quicker than non-believers; have better outcomes from coronary disease and rheumatoid arthritis; and are less likely to have children with meningitis.

Intriguing research in 2002 showed that believers have more success with IVF than non-believers.

A 1999 study found that going to a religious service or saying a few prayers actively strengthened your immune system.

These medical benefits accrue even if you adjust for the fact that believers are less likely to smoke, drink or take drugs.

And faith doesn’t just heal the body; it salves the mind, too. In 1998, the American Journal of Public Health found that depressed patients with a strong ‘intrinsic faith’ (a deep personal belief, not just a social inclination to go to a place of worship) recovered 70 per cent faster than those who did not have strong faith.

Another study, in 2002, showed that prayer reduced ‘adverse outcomes in heart patients’.

For instance, a study of nearly 4,000 older adults for the U.S. Journal of Gerontology revealed that atheists had a notably increased chance of dying over a six-year period than the faithful.

Crucially, religious people lived longer than atheists even if they didn’t go regularly to a place of worship. This study clearly suggests there is a benefit in pure faith alone — perhaps this religiousness works by affording a greater sense of inner purpose and solace in grief.

This begs the question: Given all this vast evidence that religion is good for you, how come the atheists seem so set against it?

They pride themselves on their rationality, yet so much of the empirical evidence indicates that God is good for you. Surely, then, it is the atheists, not the devout, who are acting irrationally?

Wine skrev:Detta väcker frågan: Med tanke på den stora mängd bevis som finns som bekräftar att religion är bra för dig/oss, hur kommer det sig att ateisterna ändå verkar ha en så negativ inställning?